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For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? April 27, 2013 Cut him some slack. Mickey liked his doughnuts. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. NYB Buff (thankfully returning in '81). Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. March 5, 2006 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. pete Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? senor ortiz October 19, 2011 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. When I was a kid everyone had a second favorite team and for some reason the Tigers were mine. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. =Chuck= Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Mickey loved his Harley. April 23, 2003 What an interesting parallel, huh? Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. The point is he made a bad team worse. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Baseball burnt him out. feat fan Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. And complaining about how fat he was? They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. That's more realistic but generous, I think! April 30, 2009 May 7, 2013 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Shari '', Neither did they stop in the Tigers clubhouse. Al But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. snook Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. October 4, 2006 October 19, 2011 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Doug S. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. November 12, 2006 Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? Lolich won't reveal his weight, but hints that he's in the two-hundred-thirty-something range, about 20 pounds over his playing weight. LA-Mets (thankfully returning in '81). pete Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Al Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Shari Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Mickey Lolich's Donuts 247Sports 247Sports Home FB Rec FB Recruiting Home News Feed Team Rankings Commitments Decommitments Scheduled Commits Player Rankings Player Search Crystal Ball. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? bob saunders May 7, 2013 6'1", 170???? A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Dianna Jeanneh Jones As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. July 31, 2002 April 6, 2012 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! (thankfully returning in '81). I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Mickey loved his Harley. Everything from notable pioneers, celebrities, vintage ads, and much much more! Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. September 25, 2013 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. September 25, 2013 Shari There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. October 13, 2008 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Michael April 23, 2003 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. support. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. He started 45 games and completed 29. July 15, 2016 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. October 19, 2011 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. No contest. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Mike B The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. We are going all the way!" As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. John Bruce Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. April 23, 2003 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. September 24, 2005 snook 6'1", 170???? ''You can talk all you want about 217,'' Lolich said, ''but when you see them all in a cluster you know that's a lot of work.''. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. October 4, 2005 To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? GoMets2006 September 25, 2013 -He served nearly every public office in Orion? Staub a great fielder with a great arm? I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. He started 45 games and completed 29. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. John Bruce He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. November 12, 2006 The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! '', Moments later, the Sunday churchgoers more or less cleared out, Lolich relaxed at the counter lined with 21 stools. Jamey Bumbalo Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. April 23, 2003 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Raymond Malcuit Shickhaus Franks In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. April 24, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. October 13, 2008 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Joe Figliola However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. July 15, 2016 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Bob P Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Stu Baron For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. 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